existential solution to existential anxiety

topic posted Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:36 PM by  350ppm
In wikipedia I found a suggestion to a so-called existential anxiety:
"The rejection of reason as the source of meaning is a common theme of existentialist thought, as is the focus on the feelings of anxiety and dread that we feel in the face of our own radical freedom and our awareness of death."

I could not find what existentialism offered as a solution to this anxiety. Does existentialism offer one? if so, would the solution be in defining one's own meaning in life, by any means necessary irrespective of reason, belief or faith?

thanks in advance for your thoughts..
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350ppm
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  • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

    Fri, April 25, 2008 - 8:48 PM
    Existentialism, recognizing that anxiety is rooted in the fear of annihilation, says that knowledge of the thing is key to overcoming the fear. Thus, rationality in the face of fear. And then an affirmation of living life in the face of death. The cliché questions that get asked within existential therapy are "What would you do if you knew you were going to die next week? How would you live differently?"

    The "trick," if there is one, is to embrace the fear, to live in spite of fear.

    • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

      Sat, April 26, 2008 - 3:07 PM
      Bingo, Mickey.

      Not just overcoming the fear, but as you said, embracing it.
      Using it as the impetus for moving forward ...leaping forward.

      It's actually quite optimistic.
      And may existentialists also believe we have an obligation to contribute to the world ( and to do it in the here-and-now) to live each day to its fullest.

      Fear is my friend. It wakes me up and makes me take risks that usually reap enormous rewards.
      Fear is my inner signal that I am doing something momentous ...and to face it head on...

      Like whenever I start something new, I get this crushing self-doubt. I have to talk myself into moving through it. But by taking little steps, I soon find I am doing fine and it gives me courage to try more new stuff, in fact it triggers a real adrenalin high.
      (am I exposing too much? TMI? ) sorry ..I just graduated this morning MA, LLPC, SPADA, CADC-R, CADC II and begin my doc program in two months ..Yikes! there's some fear!
      • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

        Sat, April 26, 2008 - 7:42 PM
        Palma, Mickey,

        Sounds good to me..

        I have been reading some posts of the nihilism tribe and those folks there sound dead already...

        ..thanks for your thoughts..
        • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

          Sat, April 26, 2008 - 8:12 PM
          Forgive me for asking (and we can certainly take this to Private Messaging), but can you share some more about your anxieties? Depending on the nature of the anxiety, I may be able to suggest some reading material.
          • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

            Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:04 AM
            thanks Mickey, for your offer.

            I'm just getting around to learning about existentialism and nihilsm.. and so I join this tribe.

            Fear of death certainly does abide in me. Fear of serious illness abides in me also...cancer, hiv etc..these frighten me, to be honest.

            but i am not sure if they are rooted in existential thinking.. I suspect that it might.

            so, yes, please, I'd appreciate it if you could suggest some readings.

            cheers..
            • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

              Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:37 AM
              Existentialism is only one means of looking at one's self. It is a set of tools, if you will. At the risk of insulting you, it might be incorrect to say that something is "rooted in existential thinking." The thing is rooted in you, and you may have an easier time examining it with an existential vocabulary, or maybe a cognitive-behavioral vocabulary. I suspsect you're like me in that existentialism just makes a lot of sense. But it helps to keep lots of tools in the box.

              Rollo May is considered by many to be one of the fathers of existential psychology. I'd recommend _The Meaning of Anxiety_ for starters. If you feel like branching out into the Humanistic realm of things, try _A Way of Being_ by Carl Rogers.
              • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

                Sun, April 27, 2008 - 9:59 AM
                Thanks for pointing out what you refer to as "incorrect." No offence taken...since I really don't know what you mean by that.. I can think of many ways in which what i wrote is not very accurate to the notion that I am getting at.. but i do not want to paralize my expressions..or inquiry.

                I suppose a more satisfying statement to me would be "that I have anxieties that I suspect to be similar to what I understand to be existential anxiety" Although, for me, it is not so much about radical freedom but "death."

                As someone who was raised in a very controlling way, I'm adverse to limits, constraints, control etc.. so radical freedom is very liberating to me.. that does not bring me anxiety whatsoever.. (at least not yet).

                Yes! i am like you in the notion of keeping the tool box open!

                Again, thanks everyone for their thoughts.. (including wildapache)
              • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

                Sun, April 27, 2008 - 12:00 PM
                And, though I consider myself an existentialist of the Frankl variety ...I am even more enamoured of the post-cognitive approaches, such as White and Epston's constructivist narrative therapy, which takes the problem out of the person. This is a much more humane and efficacious way of dealing with things such as anxiety.

                All these ism's are fun to debate, but we need to face the fact that most are shamefully out-of-date and we should not be giving them the status as treatment modes that they currently hold.

                Anything pre-1970 should be suspect. We should discuss them for historical purposes only.

                If we are not considering social constructionism and something akin to family systems, then we are stuck in an inefficient (ODWEMT: Old dead European white male tradition) which is also a piece of the "medical model" which places the "disease" in the person, rather than in that person's environment, relationships and influences.

                The person cannot be interpreted outside his realm of influence (his world)
                Nor can his world be interpreted without considering his influence :
                Social constructionism

                [add to this that both are always changing and you have postmodernism]

                * and it depresses and pisses me off that in the 21st century my spell checker does not recognize the terms : constructivist, constructionism or postmodern * !!!!
                • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

                  Sun, April 27, 2008 - 12:53 PM
                  Nice Palma,

                  It's good to hear that the works of pre-1970's intelligentsia have been advanced and perhaps surpassed.

                  I was not out to search for anxiety cures.. I was mostly interested in the different philosophical views on "reality."
                  and was thinking that nihilist and existentialism where in some soft of extremes in terms of the absolute and relative..if that makes any sense.

                  I'll take a look at social constructionism, post-cognitive psychology some..

                  ..cheers
                • Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

                  Sun, April 27, 2008 - 12:54 PM
                  So did you add them to your spell-checker's dictionary?
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                    Re: existential solution to existential anxiety

                    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 1:10 PM
                    Hi Mickey! Yes! and it seems I've been doing it a lot lately on different sites ...it's particularly distressing when it happens in psychology forums or in Word!

                    I fear I will not live long enough to see these (already old) ideas come into common use.

                    It would not be so bad if it were not so dangerous. The practice of using CBT as a primary model in addiction ( I prefer to say : problematic substance use) has probably led to more deaths than I want to imagine.

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