Existentialism per Wikipedia

topic posted Sun, October 15, 2006 - 6:40 PM by  Mr. M
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

I havent studied that much about it but I guess I'm an existentialist. Hmm. I just came across this tribe. I was watching the History Channel. A story about a notorious drug dealer. The last thing they said about him was that he didnt feel guilt about anything. Selling drugs to people that wanted them wasnt wrong to him. They said he thought of himself as an existentialist & when asked what that mean he said you live your life and do what you want to do. Sounds good to me.
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Mr. M
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    Mon, October 16, 2006 - 7:02 PM
    Perfect example of a little bit of knowledge being a bad thing. That dealer's outlook is preceisely the kind of Camus-fed feldercarb that drove me nuts in college. Skip class ... sleep around ... and damn the consequences. I saw soooo many friends fall into this trap. Take a glance at Sartre or Bouvoir and consider for a moment the possibility that existentialism doesn't preclude personal responsibility and social obligation.
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      Mon, October 16, 2006 - 7:11 PM
      It also said he was into Nitchze <-----however you spell it. Who defines personal responsibiliy? Yourself. Social obligation? To a certain extent I totally agree. But what social obligations should we have other than to be civil to others & try our best not to be financially dependent on anyone but ourselves unless there is some agreement?
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        Mon, October 16, 2006 - 7:22 PM
        Nietzsche.

        Bloody hard to spell. I have to take it apart every time I write it.
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          Wed, October 25, 2006 - 9:48 AM
          :: Bloody hard to spell. I have to take it apart every time I write it.

          "god is dead." - nietsche
          "nietsche is dead." - god
          "'nietzsche' is spelled wrong." - kaufmann
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            Fri, November 3, 2006 - 8:04 PM
            I had a shirt that said:

            "God is dead." --Nietzche
            "Nietzche is dead." --God

            Wore that to my first day of my Nietzsche class, thought it would be cute. The prof noted my shirt, but never pointed out the misspelling, even when we were getting the spelling down in that first class.
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        Mon, October 16, 2006 - 7:41 PM
        " ... to be free is not to have the power to do anything you like; it is to be able to supass the given toward an open future; the existence of others as a freedom defines my situation and is even the condition of my own freedom."

        ~ Simone de Bouvoir, "The Ethics of Ambiguity"

        Individualism does not lead to the anarchy of personal whim.
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          Mon, October 16, 2006 - 7:52 PM
          I'm not really all that analytical actually. I do what I want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. Nothing I want to do is really negative towards others so I don't worry about it too much.
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            Tue, October 17, 2006 - 4:07 AM
            Aye! That is the crux of the matter, avoiding hurting others. When you consider this, it becomes a responsibilty like the boulder of Sysiphus.Neitzsche was very conscious of this responsibility and of course Sartre as well, who expressed it best in "Le Main Sales".
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              Thu, November 2, 2006 - 12:18 PM
              :: That is the crux of the matter, avoiding hurting others. .. Neitzsche was very conscious of this responsibility

              are you suggesting that nietzsche felt that there is a general responsibility to not hurt others? i believe that would be a fairly non-standard interpretation...
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                Thu, November 2, 2006 - 4:08 PM
                I agree, Kage. However, he would have certainly included the avoidance of injury to others in the primacy of his choices.
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                  Fri, November 3, 2006 - 9:59 AM
                  "[Anything which] is a living and not a dying body... will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant — not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power... 'Exploitation'... belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life."
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                    Re: Existentialism per Wikipedia

                    Fri, November 3, 2006 - 2:21 PM
                    True, but we also know from developmental psychology that learning to cooperate is also a significant survival skill, even if it must be overlaid with social consciousness.
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          Re: Existentialism per Wikipedia

          Tue, October 24, 2006 - 7:55 AM
          I'm more into Max Stirner than those conventionally regarded as existentialists. The basic idea of Max Stirner seems to be that I am the owner [of "ownness"]. The world is my property to dispose of as I see fit. What I choose to decide is my own is rightfully mine no matter how I acquire it so long as I am sufficiently powerful to do so and the means feel justifiable to my sense of self, then that's fine.

          I can choose to help or please those others who please me or give me happiness by virtue of their happy presence in my life.

          All arbitary forms - justice, the state, good, evil, nationhood, the state are so much baggage and mean nothing to me. The state employs violence and calls it justice but when the individual employs violence it calls it crime. Sentiments like that are what comprise Stirner - it's not anti-social perse, it's more a question of choosing your own sense of what's social and whom you're allied or opposed to in life.

          Sartre is way too technical to be accessible to any but a relatively small few who can afford to devote a large proportion of their time to studying him and his Communist sympathies and excuses are just plain trash IMHO.

          I'd say I prefer Camus to Sartre anyhow.

          Sartre's novels are fantastic though, they bring his philosophy somewhere near being accessible to "everyday folks".
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    Re: Existentialism per Wikipedia

    Fri, November 17, 2006 - 2:57 AM
    That existence precedes essence is an unworkable and useless notion.
    The world considered in these terms would be insurmountable from an epistimological standpoint.
    One is born into a world of definitions. Sartre and de Bouvoir were defined by their cultural moment.
    The human animal is not a tabula rasa.
    Its existence precludes absolute freedom.
    One does not choose freedom. One is or one isn't.
    There is no rational corollary between Sartre's philosphy and his politics.
    His seems like his politics are tacked on to raise his self-esteem.
    He just hated being in his body.
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      Fri, November 17, 2006 - 5:22 AM
      From my observation, most thinking people are uncomfortable with the boundaries of their bodies.Somewhere between genetic predisposition and environmental influence, we become an essence and chase the limits of that existence.

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